

{"id":2631,"date":"2011-09-09T22:09:39","date_gmt":"2011-09-10T02:09:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/streamingradioguide.com\/startingover\/?p=2631"},"modified":"2011-09-09T22:10:20","modified_gmt":"2011-09-10T02:10:20","slug":"the-coming-war-between-israel-and-turkey","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/streamingradioguide.com\/startingover\/?p=2631","title":{"rendered":"The coming war between Israel and Turkey"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>While the &#8220;Right Wing Propaganda Machine&#8221; (Fox News, John Bolton, some of John Batchelor&#8217;s guests) have been pounding the drums of war trying to incite America to attack Iran in a replay of the WMD rationale for attacking Iraq &#8211; the more likely conflict will be with Turkey and Israel &#8211; especially if you think the &#8220;Arab Spring&#8221; is being pushed by Turkey.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/newspaper\/world\/2011\/0910\/1224303851405.html\">http:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/newspaper\/world\/2011\/0910\/1224303851405.html<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Turkey broke off all military cooperation today with Israel.\u00a0\u00a0 The entire Turkey military leadership resigned at the end of July (which I missed)<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/world-europe-14401661\">http:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/world-europe-14401661<\/a><\/p>\n<p>(this was related to a supposed coup attempt to try to exploit tensions with Greece to scare the civilian government)<\/p>\n<p>In recent days, Turkey has made it clear they intend to force creation of a Sovereign Palestinian State in Gaza (a process underway in the UN), free from interference from Israel &#8211; like naval blockades.\u00a0 The showdown is coming. \u00a0 Last year&#8217;s &#8220;Peace Flotilla&#8221; was a dry run.<\/p>\n<p>Turkey is a problem for Israel on a lot of levels.<\/p>\n<p>They are a Democracy &#8211; so the &#8220;Israel is the only Democracy&#8221; thing doesn&#8217;t hold up. \u00a0 They&#8217;re a member of NATO.\u00a0 Turkey has <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Turkish_Armed_Forces\">a very large military<\/a> with sophisticated US weapons and a large Air Force. \u00a0 Many of their weapon systems were delivered by Israel (consider the significance of Stuxnet to Turkey)<\/p>\n<p>A brief summary of what Turkey has at its disposal:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>420,000 active members of the Army, with several thousand battle tanks, mostly American made, about 300 helicopters, lots of short range missiles, sophisticated air defenses<\/li>\n<li>The Air Force has a large number of F16s that were made in Turkey&#8230; it has significant in-flight refueling capability as well as AWACS that are being delivered this year<\/li>\n<li>The Navy has 14 submarines, 17 frigates, 7 corvettes, 27 fast attack missile ships, mine layers\/sweepers, 45 amphibious attack ships, 75 helicopters&#8230;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Perhaps more important is Turkey has its own ability to manufacture advanced weapons, so isn&#8217;t dependent on the US if sanctions were imposed.\u00a0 (I&#8217;m not sure that President Obama is opposed to what Turkey is doing &#8211; quite the contrary).\u00a0\u00a0 Some of their weapons are also coming from China.<\/p>\n<p>Turkey has 90 nuclear bombs (courtesy of the United States), but they require the &#8220;permission&#8221; of NATO to use.<\/p>\n<p>What Turkey doesn&#8217;t have is an easy land route to reach Israel.\u00a0 Their new ally Egypt does.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 For Turkey to send heavy armor into Israel, it would have to go through Syria or Syria and Lebanon (which is essentially controlled by Syria)<\/p>\n<p>The real purpose of the &#8220;Arab Spring&#8221; seems to be making itself clear &#8211; The Destruction of Israel, which at least part of the US Government is &#8220;on board&#8221; with.\u00a0 Turkey fighting Israel would be close to the military capabilities of the United States.\u00a0 Turkey is no Libya.<\/p>\n<p>The main thing Turkey lacks is aircraft carriers &#8211; but air bases in Egypt would do in a pinch.\u00a0\u00a0 Cyprus is about 250 miles from Jerusalem.<\/p>\n<p>Israel&#8217;s response to this perceived threat from Turkey is to threaten to support Kurdish rebels (Turkey has 1,400 troops already in Iraq) and stirring up the Armenians with memories of the genocide so old nobody alive witnessed it, but it is part of the Armenian identity and useful to incite old hatreds.\u00a0 Problems in Armenia could shut down the oil pipeline from the Caspian sea (Kazakhstan, etc&#8230;) to the West.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>While the &#8220;Right Wing Propaganda Machine&#8221; (Fox News, John Bolton, some of John Batchelor&#8217;s guests) have been pounding the drums of war trying to incite America to attack Iran in a replay of the WMD rationale for attacking Iraq &#8211; &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/streamingradioguide.com\/startingover\/?p=2631\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[15,7],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2631","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-american-politics","category-war-and-not-war"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/streamingradioguide.com\/startingover\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2631","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/streamingradioguide.com\/startingover\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/streamingradioguide.com\/startingover\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/streamingradioguide.com\/startingover\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/streamingradioguide.com\/startingover\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=2631"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/streamingradioguide.com\/startingover\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2631\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2635,"href":"https:\/\/streamingradioguide.com\/startingover\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2631\/revisions\/2635"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/streamingradioguide.com\/startingover\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=2631"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/streamingradioguide.com\/startingover\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=2631"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/streamingradioguide.com\/startingover\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=2631"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}