

{"id":5419,"date":"2012-06-22T04:29:25","date_gmt":"2012-06-22T09:29:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/streamingradioguide.com\/startingover\/?p=5419"},"modified":"2012-06-22T04:29:25","modified_gmt":"2012-06-22T09:29:25","slug":"the-flaw-in-the-bloomberg-obama-is-going-to-win-poll","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/streamingradioguide.com\/startingover\/?p=5419","title":{"rendered":"The flaw in the Bloomberg &#8220;Obama is going to win&#8221; poll"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>It always pays to go back to the description of a poll.\u00a0\u00a0 Pretty much everyone agrees this poll is shocking, showing President Obama with a 53% to 40% lead over Mitt Romney.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/media.bloomberg.com\/bb\/avfile\/rQyA68BW5P20\">http:\/\/media.bloomberg.com\/bb\/avfile\/rQyA68BW5P20<\/a><\/p>\n<p>First thing to notice is the small sample size of a national poll<\/p>\n<p>1,002 U.S. adults ages 18 and over, June 15-18, 2012<br \/>\nIncluding 734 likely voters in the Nov. 2012 election<\/p>\n<p>but more importantly<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;<strong>Responses were weighted by age and race to reflect the general population based on recent census data.<\/strong>&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>so they took the &#8220;Likely Voters&#8221; answered and then amplified the numbers based on the &#8220;generation population&#8221;, <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">NOT the characteristics of the population who vote.<\/span>\u00a0\u00a0 It&#8217;s widely know that the turnout of young people is far less than senior citizens.<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s say when they did the poll, they took the group of people aged 20 to 24 &#8211; which according to the US Census is<\/p>\n<p>http:\/\/www.census.gov\/compendia\/statab\/2012\/tables\/12s0007.pdf<\/p>\n<p>21,586,000 out of an 18+ population of\u00a0234,564,000\u00a0 which is 9.2% of the voting age population.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (Note this is the voting age population, not people who are registered to vote or eligible to vote or haven&#8217;t lost the right to vote for a felony conviction)<\/p>\n<p>So they had\u00a0 734 likely voters &#8211; you would expect that 67 of the people in the poll would be 20-24 years old.\u00a0\u00a0 But let&#8217;s guess they only got 34 people who passed the &#8220;are you likely to vote&#8221; screen&#8230;\u00a0 for those 34 people, their votes would count double, effectively completely undoing the &#8220;likely voter&#8221; screen.\u00a0\u00a0 But they took the pie and sliced it one cut thinner &#8211; they also weighted it by race.\u00a0\u00a0 It&#8217;s not a big secret that certain ethnic groups (especially &#8220;Hispanics&#8221;) don&#8217;t show up to vote in proportion to their numbers in the Census (maybe because they are here illegally?)<\/p>\n<p>If you need another marker of just how skewed this survey and its weighting is &#8211; they asked people are they going to vote for a Republican or a Democrat for the House Race in 2012.\u00a0\u00a0 The House is made up of districts of roughly equal population.\u00a0\u00a0 Bloomberg&#8217;s &#8220;poll&#8221; found that\u00a0 people were going to vote (or leaning)\u00a0 48% Democrat, 41% Republican.<\/p>\n<p>In 2010, Republicans won 51.4% of the vote and Democrats 44.8% of the House vote and Repulicans won 242 of 435 seats (55.6%)\u00a0\u00a0 [total popular vote is a pretty meaningless statistic at a national level]<\/p>\n<p>I see no evidence yet to make me think voters are going to abandon Republicans in the House by 10%.<\/p>\n<p>Who is Selzer &amp; Company?\u00a0\u00a0 Do they have any prior experience in political polling?<\/p>\n<p>Selzer is Ann Selzer &#8211; she&#8217;s done polling for the Iowa Register since 1997.<\/p>\n<p>Here is a pretty complete biography:<br \/>\nhttp:\/\/businessrecord.com\/main.asp?Search=1&#038;ArticleID=14471&#038;SectionID=16&#038;SubSectionID=56&#038;S=1<\/p>\n<p>Here is some video from just before the 2010 election where she appears on PBS<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Poll Numbers Show Voters Turning Away From Democrats\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/xPVj15s2wvE?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It always pays to go back to the description of a poll.\u00a0\u00a0 Pretty much everyone agrees this poll is shocking, showing President Obama with a 53% to 40% lead over Mitt Romney. http:\/\/media.bloomberg.com\/bb\/avfile\/rQyA68BW5P20 First thing to notice is the small &hellip; 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