Since Roe v Wade, probably upward of 40 million American women have had at least one abortion. Those women will never agree that what they did was “murder”. It isn’t ever going to happen. The fanactical religious Republicans are setting the stage for derailing the possible progress the Tea Party might make by wanting to push their issue to the front of the line of issues AGAIN, something as futile as “repealing Obamacare”.
Before the election, on several occasions I warned of the danger of a political movement with unclear lines of leadership, competing factions, and the Republicans trying to find ways to coopt the movement and make it partisan.
Tea Party people and liberals have agreeed to not extend the powers in the Patriot Act to monitor which library books you check out – that is a good start if you believe in Freedom and limited government and enumerated powers.
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The Democrats are the masters of diversion – they can’t be happier to have Zealots like the YAF bring up Abortion, Gun Control and homosexualtiy. It’s like Lucy and Charlie Brown – Lucy is never going to let you kick the ball, yet you keeping running at the ball hoping that some day you’ll get a different outcome. Meanwhile the Progressives are dismembering the foundation of the country and transforming us into a colony of the European Socialist Democracies and selling us into involuntary servitude to the country’s debtors.
Art, I’m morally and cognitively opposed to virtually all abortion, and yet, I believe you are correct. I’m not necessarily a pragmatist, but I’ve known for more years than I care to count that libs toil to divide us all, nation and party, friends and neighbors, in order to conquer. We must not abet them with good intentions. On occasion it is meet to nod, albeit with a frown, on certain matters. Late-terms, on the other hand are murder and I care not who is offended by my discernment there.
Hillary once said about abortion that her wish would be for them to be safe, available and rare. We have had 45 million since ’73. Over 80% of all New York pregnancies end in abortion and many women have had multiple abortions. yadda yadda yadda
Nothing rare there.
But do not tell me to shut up. It is possible to be pro-life and a tea party member.
The irony here is, by Mr.Stone wishing to silence me (and my hope for, at least, more contraceptive information and ending taxpayer subsidies of abortions) is doing exactly what he warns against. No one realistically expects criminalizing abortion.
He is splitting the Republican party , thereby insuring another 4 years of Socialism.
You do not see “progressives” throwing out ANY member of their party.
The right does so routinely.
The linked story was about Christians being told by the Tea Party that Abortion is not part of the Tea Party agenda. To the extent I’ve commented on the Tea Party, it’s been to be suspicious of their motivations and who is actually pulling their strings and to what end. Without a clear purpose and leader, everyone can claim to be in charge – Michael Savage takes credit for the great Tea Party victory, and says that Sarah Palin is a moron (and worse). Yet his listeners don’t see any contradiction with those things, apparently.
I do agree with the Tea Party that pushing Abortion the front of the agenda list is really bad politics (just as nominating Barry Goldwater for President in 1964 was). You may be right, but if you can’t convince most of America to agree with you, it doesn’t matter if you were right – you end up doing more damage to your cause by pushing things that will never happen in a representitive republic. Change has to start from the bottom. Democrats control the public schools, the universities, the lawyers, the courts, the public employee unions, racial identity groups with millions of members willing to burn down the cities on command…. One election’t won’t undo that.
This government is broke and without a major change in direction will be insolvent – not just “cutting fraud and waste”, but doing things that hurt. The Titanic is sinking, and people are complaining that the cabin attendant is slow in bringing their cup of coffee. The day of reckoning is at hand.
If you ask Michael Savage, he would tell you he created the Republican Party before Lincoln screwed it up. He is one of the species known as Maximus Blowhardius. Don’t think I’m too hard on him – I like to listen to the guy for his conspiracy theories. But he is a legend in his own mind.
Isn’t there ONE politician in the Republican Party? Why can’t we run on fiscal responsibility (and then prove it!) and then, when in office, propose a change to the Abortion law. At least de-fund it. Do we have to put EVERYTHING out there on the table, nice and early, so the media can have months, no years, to rip it apart? Aren’t there ANY Repub startegists left? Can’t we learn ANYTHING from the opposing party?
If we don’t take over the Presidency this time, he will replace at least 1 of the Supremes, if not 2. Then we can kiss our guns bye-bye, and we won’t have talk-radio, and “net-neutrality” will mean guys like Beck et all won’t be able to even broadcast over the net.
If we lose the Court, we will LOSE THE WHOLE ENCHILADA.
Comprendo?
Sorry, strategists, not the other spelling.
And I forgot one last thing:
Abortion is an act against God. Any God. Christian, Jewish, or Muslim. You choose.
The supreme act of cowardice.
And after over 35 years of living in a country that allows it’s practice, I’d settle for defunding it.
If defunding it would stop just one, it would be a victory.
The abortion issue isn’t going away. It’s a question of where one draws the line on when the choice to conceive a child becomes a responsibility toward a living person. People draw that line in different places, generally from pre-conception to birth. Ultimately, a compromise solution will involve pushing the issue down to the states.
There are more pro-choice conservatives than most conservative factions are comfortable admitting. Engaging these voters on common ground issues is a good thing, rather than adopting the near-universal intolerance of the Democratic Party toward anyone who doesn’t profess 100% compliance with the pro-choice agenda.
The Tea Party has the right approach. Focus on achievable fiscal issues while holding no position on the more divisive social issues, which generally can’t be legislated at the federal level, only promoted.
It’s mind-boggling to listen on talk radio this week to the one-issue social conservative voters who would have Obama re-elected rather than take a long term approach to their pet issue. May they see the futility of their ways and may their numbers remain small.
The divisions aren’t going away, no matter how misguided we might think some views are. There will always be those who see our views as equally misguided. So goes politics. Both parties have to walk a tightrope by engaging and not alienating their voting factions in order to survive. For Republicans, this doesn’t mean succumbing to a niche view or divisive issue, but it also requires that that such groups with viable views not be told to “shut up.” That’s not what the Republican Party should be about. Let the Dems fall victim to the close-mindedness that will result in their reduced influence. And let Republicans be the big-tent organization, seeking to truly engage conflicting constituencies rather than just preaching empty words about ‘tolerance’.
Do you find it odd that there isn’t one Protestant Christian on the Supreme Court?
It is NOT a model that Barry Osama would appreciate since it is NOT reflective of the make-up of the people of this country.
(Couldn’t sneak that one by you, huh?)
Oh that’s right … he wanted people “who had real world experience” instead of being the best in the Law.
So we instead got people who weren’t very good at the Law but knew how to follow orders.
I.e. – mindless Socialists.
I think the boat is being missed here. When asked, 9 out of 10 people questioned are appalled at 40 million abortions, even a good many who had one. There is NO campaign downside to recognizing that fact and being willing to provide some leadership for getting the annual number down. The devil is in the details, not in the commitment.