Joe, claiming to be a Southerner, doesn’t know what the Emancipation Proclamation is and said
The only slaves freed were those in States in rebellion – it didn’t apply to Union States like Delaware and New Jersey – I think the National Archives Is a pretty authoritative source.
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/featured_documents/emancipation_proclamation/
It also did not “end slavery” – the President doesn’t have the power to create laws by writing proclamations – Barack Obama cannot write an assault weapon proclamation and free guns from their owners.
It also didn’t make everyone “free” – women continued to be their husband’s property and didn’t get the right to vote for another 50 years
Many Southern Plantation owners had loans from Northern banks, with their slaves as collateral – by ending slaver, that gave the Northern banks the pretext to foreclose and seize the property.
Wow! Take that argument to the SCOTUS’s and shove that up their, rhetorical, arses. Where did this guy graduate from?
Perhaps Joe Pags was some sort of “Indonesian” student?
http://www.dailypaul.com/290148/another-supposed-whistle-blower-from-higer-education-says-obama-was-an-indonesian-student
OK, now it is coming together. Just access the ‘foreign’ student records and it makes more sense. Thanks!
Orly?
Sgap.
No, really. Her name is orly.
The commentator from 60 minutes, orly?
Orly Taitz. Go here, read, once one understands that NOTHING can be done about removing POTUS, repeat, NOTHING, then the Plan may come into focus if ones thinks ‘outside the box’.
http://patriotsbillboard.org/supreme-court-denies-obama-case-law-clerks-withheld-important-documents-from-five-ofthe-justices-read-orly-taitz-statement/
Thanks for the link. I was kidding about 60 minutes but sincerely didn’t know who Orly was. Interesting article, Nidster. Thank you
I suppose one could argue that the emancipation proclamation did not, in fact, free even one slave. The Civil War was “about” preserving the Union of States when it started, the Emancipation Proclamation changed that to being “about” slavery. After both pieces were issued, there remained an intervening two years before the end of the war.
It could seem like Obamacare – let there be free medical care for all! In fact, free will never enter into Obamacare. $2 trillion and counting. Free?
Pags has joined the mile high club… I found him doing the morning show this morning on KHOW-AM in Denver
The ‘Fremont Emancipation’ in St Louis in 1861 sheds much light on this discussion. Lincoln, above all else, was a consummate politician (in case you are wondering, that is not a compliment) and his handling of the Fremont incident paved the way for the cleverly worded Emancipation Proclamation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A9mont_Emancipation
The guy is stupid and an awful radio talent. He is usually the only sit-in for Beck when he’s away, and I change the station as soon as I hear him. He has a real radio guy voice, but he is so far beneath boring you can’t even measure how insipid and lame he is.
I wonder if Glenn is afraid to give his seat to real talent when he’s on vacation. Rush’s best fill in by a million miles is Mark Steyn. What a hilarious and brilliant guy, and rush using him shows that rush has no fear of someone stealing his spotlight.
Walter E. Williams has been a good fill-in, but since his wife’s passing I sense he ‘lost’ some of his passion. Doug Urbanski also does a good job, but I agree with you, Steyn is the best fill-in.
Ditto on that, Nidster. I have long been a fan of Dr Williams. I haven’t listened in years and am sorry to learn that his wife passed.
If you like him, you may like Dr Larry Elder on KABC Los Angeles. He streams weekdays 6-9 pm ET.
http://www.kabc.com/page.php?page_id=151
Many, even in the northeast, don’t realize that much of New Jersey is south of the Mason Dixon line… and that Cape May, NJ is east of Washington, DC. (Cape May, NJ’s latitude is ever so slightly north of Dc, but the the eye on a map, looks directly east. )
New Jersey was indeed a slave state:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_New_Jersey
The “belief” that women didn’t get the right to vote until the 1920 constitutional amendment is not correct. It is true that the 1920 amendment forced the small minority of states, that hadn’t already given women the right to vote, to do so.
The first state (a territory at that time) to give the women the right to vote was Wyoming in 1869. Sequentially, most other states sequentially gave women the right to vote. This sequential process lasted 50 years.
Lott and Kenny studied how state taxation and governmental spending changed in the time period subsequent to giving women the right to vote. Both taxation and governmental spending increased exponentially, in every state, subsequent to women gaining the right to vote. That pattern was identical in every state, regardless of economic circumstances, wars, societal problems, geographical location, political factors, etc. over the entire 50 years. This long period of time, and vast variation in other possibly important factors, effectively eliminates the effects of virtually all confounding variables. That makes Lott’s and Kenny’s study result a virtual certainty. Women’s suffrage was totally responsible for the runaway governmental spending which we are about the experience the long term consequences of.
http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~iversen/PDFfiles/LottKenny.pdf
Wow, Wil, you are looking at the facts.
That is like saying that Mexicans ruined Mexico and might do the same here.
No, it was the Hispanics from Spain who did!
I knew someone would take the bait 😉 Well played.
Sort of lost in the discussion of the 13th amendment was it also outlawed “involuntary servitude”, which had been widespread in 1776 – estimates are that up to 80% of the people living in the colonies were “owned” by merchant bankers who got the right to tell their servants what to do, with disobeying being a criminal offense. Typically the contract ran for 7 years. Benjamin Franklin was one such person. His brother James in Boston had a 9 year indenture contract when Franklin was 12 – Franklin eventually fled to Philadelphia His common law wife was also an indentured servant.
In 1787 – during the period between the end of the Revolutionary War and the Constitutional Covention, the government run under the Articles of Federation passed the Northwest Ordinance, which laid out the legal framework for the expansion of the country. It required to be approved by every state, yet contained a provision outlawing both slavery and involuntary servitude. It was based on the land ordinance of 1784 drafted by Thomas Jefferson with a prohibition of slavery and involuntary servitude beyond 1800, but that clause was removed by the Continental Congress.
One history web site I was reading asks – if any single state could have vetoed the prohibition on slavery in 1787, why didn’t they? If the NW territory was slave territory, it would have tipped the balance toward the South in te slave debate. The answer is pretty obvious once you ask the question – the reason is that is that prohibiting slavery in the northwest meant less competition for products grown on plantations that could be grown in the new states. While tobacco is grown mostly in the South, it is grown in Indiana, Ohio, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Massachusetts and as far North as Canada.