Obamacare “solving” the wrong problem

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NY Times story

It’s important to understand that Blue Cross and Shield was started by doctors nd hospitals. They exist to funnel money into the medical system and force prepayment of expenses so doctors and hospitals at least know they’ll get 70% of the bill before having to turn into collection agents. They are a cost+ pass through. BC/BS is the only multistate provider in the Federal Exchange.

Hospitals think nothing about building exotic hospitals that cost $5 million per bed and pay administrators millions in salary to boost revenue so people on CNBC can hype the prospects of forever zooming profits.

Forcing everyone to pay even more into this system is just pouring gasoline on the fire.

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21 Responses to Obamacare “solving” the wrong problem

  1. CC1s121LrBGT says:

    In response to this article today: http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/12/10/personal-information-at-risk-after-laptops-stolen-from-n-j-health-insurance-company/

    was this reader comment: ” Jimmy Joe -I’ll bet one of the HHS goons left the computers there on purpose to be stolen with all that info on there. An employee of Syphilus perhaps.”

    The last line of the reader comment had me in stitches. … get it, Nidster? “stitches” lol

  2. CC1s121LrBGT says:

    Regarding the poll on what it should cover, you need to take two separate polls – for Obama’s free healthcare. I suspect the people receiving the free healthcare will have a different list than the people paying for the free healthcare unless, of course, Obama lies to the people paying for it and tells them they will receive it.

    Maybe we need to have a third poll and ask the illegals what they want to see in free healthcare on the day that immigration “reform” is passed.

    • Art Stone says:

      Here you go – pretty close to your suggestion, although I’ve split it into what you think you should get, what you should pay for – and what people on Medicaid should get. At least at the start, each question lists the same answers. The way I’ve set it up, most people should see the “What is my free stuff” question first.

      Poll 1
      Poll 2
      Poll 3

      Note that you can add more than one suggestion to a question, and I would encourage that, as long as you don’t get too silly 🙂 “Suggest Answer”, then when it shows the list, UnVote. Unvoting for an answer you just added does not un-add it. Keep in mind however, that other people don’t see your answer until I click on “Okay, that’s a reasonable answer” 🙂

      • Art Stone says:

        FWIW, I expect almost nobody to answer this poll, even less than normal. It requires thinking and people will realize right away they’re being trapped 🙂 So if a woman needs an abortion because she’ll die if it isn’t done and there is no possibility for the child to survive (ectopic pregnancy), are we going to not cover that?

        If we think we should pay for reconstructive breast surgery after a mastectomy, why not other surgery that is only done to improve / restore a good appearance. Should we pay for women who want their breasts cut off because they think they are at high risk of getting breast cancer in the future? Should we pay for a male circumcision done by a rabi? If a person loses 300 pounds, should we pay to have the sagging excess skin cut off? What if a motorcycle rider is not wearing a helmet and has a brain injury the helmet would have prevented?

        It’s easy to make decisions in the absence of real life situations.

        • CC1s121LrBGT says:

          It is easy to make decisions with OPM – Other People’s Money. Everyone wanted to be a member of the planning bureau that the Soviets had.

          • Art Stone says:

            Until the current 5 year plan failed and the innocents were blamed and sent to Siberia. We’re about half way through the 1st five year plan for Obamacare. It will be maybe another year and a half before the scope of the failure really becomes apparent to all.

            Just an aside, one of the reasons I don’t care much for Savage is he has this Russian mindset that the solutions to most problems are to identify a bad guy, and send them to Siberia – ignoring that bad decisions is not a crime in itself, and trial by jury is a fundamental Constitutionsl right.

  3. Parrott says:

    I Guess NSA found the logon name for ‘Chef ‘ (LOL) justice roberts on one of those hard-core dark net porn sites, or we wouldn’t even be talking about this stupid cheit.
    Then all we’d be worrying about getting is the ‘obamaphone’ . The free cell phone is a whole lot less invasive.

  4. CC1s121LrBGT says:

    Correct. The cost issue is that doctors in the US are paid about twice what they are paid in the UK and other western countries. Ditto for nurses and other medical professionals. Ditto for prescription drugs.

    Saying that Obamacare was so that the poor would get free healthcare was also a lie- the poor have always gotten free healthcare either by not paying their bills or by being on Medicaid.

    The whole Democrat scheme was an intentional fraud and people should be in prison for lying under oath.

    • Art Stone says:

      Congress is immune from prosecution for anything said in speeches or debates – see Article 1, Section 6, Clause 1. You’ll need to take it up with James Madison.

      An example of who you want thrown in prison and why would be instructive, along with what law they violated. We also have a rule in the Constitution that we don’t create retroactive crimes (ex post facto) Article 1, section 9.

      If you lie to Congress under oath, that’s a crime. If Congress lies to you, it gets them elected.

      I know this is harsh to theMark Levins of the world, but the proof is in the pudding. The legal framework that Madison and Hamilton has failed. A Republic requires that the public be well educated, moral and willing to work to keep the system from falling apart. We haven’t had a budget in four years, we have a ruler just announcing changes to laws with no push back from the legislature or courts, and a secret intelligence bureaucracy that’s totally out of control.

      • CC1s121LrBGT says:

        Agreed 100%.

      • Nidster says:

        The maddening part is how many liberals are slamming ObamaCare but still think it can be fixed with a few adjustments, and blame Republicans for not working with Democrats to ‘fix’ the flaws.

        All the young voters who voted for Obama need to do their patriotic duty pay their fair share.

        • CC1s121LrBGT says:

          What? You mean by passing a law calling it affordable healthcare doesn’t make it affordable or healthcare? It’s still really insurance?

          Why didn’t they just pass a law making it illegal for anyone to get sick – that would have solved the real issue rather than just the symptoms… or a law saying that the sun has to start rising in the west.

          • Art Stone says:

            I’m going to take the opposite point of view – Obamacare is designed to end health insurance and replace it with healthcare coverage (not to be confused with healthcare services)

            The essence of insurance is a company is paid a fee to assume a random risk that can be estimated based on known risk factors, and then priced appropriately. The ACA eliminates the determination of risk factors and factors that can determine actual risk probability and replaces it with a standard set of rules dictated by Central Planning and changes “health insurance” into little more than claims processors.

          • CC1s121LrBGT says:

            I have “electrical insurance” for my home. Every month, the meter submits a claim and I get the bill.

            Healthcare dot gov is not insurance, it is free contraceptives, but only for women – men pay the same price but don’t vote Dem as often as women.

          • Art Stone says:

            Should health insurance cover viagra?

            How about infertility treatments where a woman wants to get pregnant, but can’t?

          • CC1s121LrBGT says:

            I believe that Obamacare mandates that everyone pay for the infertility treatments. IVF costs are in the tens of thousands of dollars per attempt and multiple attempts can run into six figures.

            Obamacare provides the free contraception for women in their teens, twenties and thirties… then in the 40s when it is almost impossible to get pregnant, it pays 100 grand plus for fertility.

            What about cosmetic dentistry so we can all have shiny glow in the dark white teeth and everyone can see we are not British? 😉

          • Art Stone says:

            Yes, I believe it probably does cover both.

            My question was if you think it should.

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