Did the Pilgrims “Found America”?

Steve Deace is one of the late night hosts on Salem Radio. He just wrote a column about that Duck show on A&E and lead with the fact that the United States is “A nation founded by pilgrims seeking out religious freedom…”


The pilgrims arrived in Massachusetts in 1620 funded by English bankers to try to establish a trading colony. The crew and passengers included non-Christians.

When they arrived at Massachusetts Bay, they were met by Squanto, the native American who curiously already spoke English. He had been living in England after being captured in 1605 by folks who would establish the permanent English colony in Jamestown in 1607 and returned to North America in 1616. The Dutch had started arriving at New Amsterdam in 1609 (today’s New York City). The Spanish had established Saint Augustine in 1565, 55 years earlier than the pilgrims, which you learn right away when you go there as a tourist… The Pilgrims were fleeing their protection they enjoyed in the Netherlands as the truce between Spain and the Netherlands was about to expire, and they feared God would not protect them from the Godless Spaniards. The charter granted by England for the colony specifically said it would not be a religious colony.

By the time the Pilgrims arrived, Massachusetts was already being colonized by Catholic monks who had relationships with the native tribes.

The Pilgrims founded the Plymouth Colony. That’s it. The Mayflower Compact is a nice historical document, but it doesn’t prove “The United States is a White Anglo Saxon Christian Nation”, which is the story Mr Deace is trying to weave.

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16 Responses to Did the Pilgrims “Found America”?

  1. Nidster says:

    All the above has a historical basis, but the truth is far more bizarre. No one should question the colonization of the Americas by Europeans by both commercial charters and various religious sects. The United States of America specifically allowed for all sorts of people to co-exist, religious and non-religious. The following idea contained in The Declaration of Independence, “that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,” is dangerous to all of us. Because, once we are visited by some entity who can prove to the authorities who are in control of us that “IT” is our Creator, then we will be in a far worse situation than we already find ourselves in today. We were not “given” certain unalienable rights by a Creator. We, are all Persons who were ‘born’ with unqualified and unrestricted unalienable rights.

    Personhood is a state of being that has never been formally defined in Christian theology. Now, there is a very good reason for that, and that is that once you define what Person is, you reduce what it really is. If one were to attempt to get close to defining it perhaps it would go something like this: PERSON is an absolutely irreducible, concrete entity that says, and can say, and can think, the pronoun, I. That in that concrete uniqueness, that irreduceably unique, uniqueness, is without analogy to anything else, or any other Person, except for the fact that they both can say, I.

    So, I agree with those who believe the idea that people like Mr Deace is trying to weave is so dangerous.

    • Nidster says:

      Consider, for instance, Genetically Modified Foods. Certain countries have banned GMO foods because studies have shown they create changes to our DNA. Will the labels on our food inform us when it contains GMO foods? No. By what authority have Americans, by their implied consent, been made into experimental guinea pigs? Ever heard of a little bill the House passed on December 21, 2010, H.R. 2751: called the FDA Food Safety Modernization Act?

      Let these words sink-in: it is the established precedence of the FDA that we have “no fundamental right to [our] own bodily and physical health, which includes what foods [we] do and do not choose to consume for [our]selves and [our] families, because [we] do not have a fundamental right to obtain any food [we] wish.” So, while a few people like Mr. Deace (see above) are trying to weave ideas that may appear to countervail the ongoing Plan and Social Engineering, the laws being passed by CONgress, and enforced by the Regime, appear to be fatal to our freedoms.

    • foyle says:

      This fact of history would probably rattle the world view of some of the “this is a Christian nation” crowd: That is, the pilgrims stopped at Plymouth because they were running out of …. beer! They also began brewing their own beer here in the colonies:


      Furthermore, many of our “Christian” founding fathers — Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Sam Adams were brewers and/or distillers. Many of our founders and early presidents and legislators were prodigious drinkers. John Adams drank like a fish and smoked tobacco from age 8 to ago 9o (and he is often cited as one of our more ‘pious’ Christian presidents). Jerry Falwell must be spinning in his grave.

      • Nidster says:

        “John Adams drank like a fish and smoked tobacco from age 8 to ago 9o…”. Prior to the days of Big Tobacco a Person could enjoy good organic tobacco with no dread of cancer, because it wasn’t loaded with cancer causing chemicals. Nowadays with Big Government and the FDA in charge of everything, a Person needs to raise their own tobacco so as to be certain it is safe to use. The Mayans still send their prayers to God on a wisp of tobacco smoke.

      • Art Stone says:

        When I try to get my head around the politics of religion in England during the 1600s, it just makes my head hurt. The reality is most ministers with a serious education in religion (ie studying the bible in the original Hebrew and Greek – and study other religions around the world know they’re teaching nonsense. Large parts of the four gospels are just slightly different translations of the same text, not accounts actually written down by the apostles themselves.

        Merry Christmas!

        • Nidster says:

          Consider for a minute that oral traditions were paramount in the days of the apostles because so many where not literate. The same story was often repeated to many people in different settings or places, but with slightly different wording, but the story itself and the pertinent details never changed. So, think about the ideas being taught and less about the ‘exact’ words being heard. Perhaps we should stop thinking about things in a ‘literal’ sense. You know, stop thinking in a ‘carved in stone’ or ‘written on scrolls’ sense and just listen to the message. Perhaps those oral traditions were to be acted upon and lived out by those who received them. just sayin’

          • Art Stone says:

            I believe that the Grand Canyon was created by Paul Bunyan and Babe his blue oxe playing with each other. I saw it on Disney.

            One of the reasons western civilization zoomed ahead was that the printing press made the masses able to pass down knowledge accurately without relying on oral tradition or a priest making up rules because he can divine the eminations coming from God’s penumbra. We know exactly the words that Shakespeare used in his plays – you may not agree with his story, but you know what he wrote – but it would also be a mistake to think his accounts of history are based on fact.

          • Nidster says:

            In a perfect world the printing press would allow the masses to pass down knowledge accurately without relying on oral tradition. But, once the Ruler of this world ‘discovered’ that paper was easily manipulated, destroyed, or edited, he set his minions to work to re-write history.

            Nowadays, folks are so dull of hearing they can barely listen to what is spoken, comprehend and then remember pertinent facts, just the meme. The upside to Social Engineering is that ‘they’ can disseminate the ‘news’ over and over until it becomes the meme and is widely believed to be the ‘truth’.

            The ‘story’ about Ben Ghazie is an example of what ‘they’ want the folks to remember, which was that it was the video that caused the riot.

          • Art Stone says:

            At some point I realized that my “knowledge” of World War II was formed by watching war movies produced with the assistance of the US Military and by the same folks that produced the government propoganda during the war.

            I may go back and review the movies like Tora Tora Tora! And Battle of Midway to see if they mention FDR placing a blockade on Japan before Pearl Harbor to cut off access to petroleum they needed in their war with China.

        • CC1s121LrBGT says:

          The interesting story is that a few month after Pearl Harbor, US planes bombed the capital of Japan in a surprise attack.

          You know the story, the planes were on ships that snook deep into Japanses controlled waters. Once the planes took off, the ships retreated as fast as they could so they would not be detected.

          The planes had just enough fuel for a single pass on Toyko and a parachute jump into Japanese controlled China. Fascinating story worth researching if you don’t know it.

      • CC1s121LrBGT says:

        They also grew marijuana. I’ve been told that they didn’t smoke it, but if they smoked tobacco and drank booze, it is hard to believe they would not smoke it.

        Keep in mind it was before the Hearst newspapers tied it to those low life “wet backs” sneaking over the border by relabeling it with a Spanish name.

        • CC1s121LrBGT says:

          that was a slam against the racist Hearst and his media empire by the way, not against the hard working imigrants

          • Nidster says:

            Understood the ‘slam’ all the way, CC.

            I took a big toke of that there marijuana smoke back in my ‘younger’ days by accident, and although I ‘feared’ it would render me crazy, I burnt the whole pile and got rid of it all.

  2. CC1s121LrBGT says:

    John Wayne did it himself… with his bare hands lol

    And now for something completely different: “One example of the sheer creativity with which the TAO spies approach their work can be seen in a hacking method they use that exploits the error-proneness of Microsoft’s Windows. ” from http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/the-nsa-uses-powerful-toolbox-in-effort-to-spy-on-global-networks-a-940969-2.html

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