9th Circuit throws out California Open Carry ban

Michael Savage was on the air a few days ago when this news broke. The Federal 9th District appeals court ruled 2-1 that a recently enacted ban on *unloaded* handguns being carried openly was unconstitutional. The author of the law said his purpose was some people feel uncomfortable around people with a gun and they have a right to not be unconfortable.

California is a “may issue” state on concealed carry permits, meaning you have to justify a need for the permit to the local law enforcement agency, which routinely reject almost all the requests. Since you can’t openly carry and you can’t carry concealed, that effectively prohibited any use of handguns other than inside the walls of your house. Just the obligatory reminder that criminals don’t follow laws like applying for permits.

Reason magazine talks to the man who filed the successful challenge.


It mentions a couple important details in addition to background. The NRA (National RIFLE Association) actively opposes open carry of handguns and have spent the funds contributed to them to lobby against laws that would allow open carry. The NRA is an anti second amendment organization that tries to push the idea that the 2nd amendment is there to protect the right to shoot at clay pigeons, not the last resort to defend against government collapse or tyranny.

The other, which is no secret, is that gun control laws started in the South to keep guns out of the hands of black people. It’s no coincidence that the communities with the most restrictive gun control laws are cities with a large black population. (The reverse is not true – there are cities with large black populations that do not have restrictive gun laws, like Detroit)

Chicago’s repeal of the ban on handguns and the Illinois right to conceal carry anywhere in the state (including Chicago) is now in effect. You may have noticed that the stories about gun shootings in Chicago have vanished from the national news. Weird.

Shootings so far in 2014 are less than half of what they were in 2013.


I told you this would happen.

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20 Responses to 9th Circuit throws out California Open Carry ban

  1. HPaws says:

    Thanks for the NRA mention… I was thinking of joining but was held back by their lavish offices / limos and expenses. More worms in the body politic.

    • Art Stone says:

      I’m having lunch with my Obama organizing nephew today. If he gets pushy about eating leafy green vegetables, I might ask him if he would like to take a gun safety course with me. You can never be too safe.

      But I probably won’t.

      • TheChairman says:

        Just ask him how he would feel about taking a course.

        • Art Stone says:

          Lunch went very well. I did mention an old story that got me into dangerous territory before realized I was in too deep.

          Back in the 1970s (and before), as many cities did – the local TV station a Saturday morning TV show that played cartoons. The host of this show on WBT was a guy named Fred Kirby. He was a “cowboy” who was very proud of his guns.

          Up in the mountains, there is a touristy place that is well known called Tweetsie Railroad. It’s kind of like the trains at Disney World/land. It’s live steam pulling narrow gauge trains that probably had been from a banana plantation in Central America. It runs around a loop at the base of a small “mountain”. To keep it less boring for the kids and make the ride feel longer than it really is, they have a choreographed “train robbery”.

          My geometry teacher (I think) had worked there as a college student doing this stuff. One weekend, Fred Kirby went there on publicity and they let him play the part of the sheriff taking care of the robbers. Part of that is they run through the cars shooting at each other which gets your attention if you aren’t used to guns.

          So Fred Kirby fires off his gun at the bad guys and its apparent something is wrong. The bad guy is actually hurt. Fred wasn’t stupid or careless enough to have a real bullet in his gun, but his “blanks” had wadding and he was shooting at very close range.

          Don’t do that.

          The End.

      • Art Stone says:

        I was reminded today that North Carolina still has Blue Laws, which I completely oppose. I’m fully on board with Chick Fil A being closed on Sundays to respect the 10 Commandments. It’s their property, their right. If a church tells its members they can’t have alcohol on Sunday, that’s fine. Membership in a church is a voluntary choice. You can comply, you can ignore the rule and suffer the punishment or you can quit.

        Government should play no role in that. In North Carolina, it is still the law that alcohol can’t be sold on Sunday before noon. We had to make sure we didn’t get to lunch before noon. Connecticut had even more restrictive laws. I don’t drink at all – but I really really felt it was wrong in CT that beer sales at supermarkets had to end at 8 PM. The “you only have 10 minutes left to buy beer” announcements only drew attention to the fact you could buy beer.

        It turns out buying booze isn’t the only Sunday law. Hunting is illegal on Sunday in North Carolina, even on private land with the permission of the owner. Fishing is OK, though.

        If you’re not supposed to work on the Sabbath, why do ministers work on Sunday?

        • prboylan says:

          I point out to the Baptists around here who provide knee-jerk majority support for the Sunday blue laws that in the Bible the Sabbath begins on Friday sundown and lasts until Saturday sundown. So the ban on alcohol sales should be from Friday night to Saturday night. “What do you mean that’s nonsense? Didn’t you just tell me that everything in the Bible is absolute law and absolutely true as written?”

          • CC1s121LrBGT says:

            Its the old Protestant work ethic – work hard during the week and then when you have some time off, it is illegal to enjoy it with consenting adults (alcohol transactions and/or consumption).

          • Art Stone says:

            This is the point where the fight starts over whether any of the Old Testament applies to Christians or whether Jesus replaced it with his version of God’s laws. (the New Covenant)

            Was Jesus gay?

            It is generally believed he was in his late 20s when he was killed. Jesus was without sin. Fornication without marriage is a sin

            – Jesus died a virgin or
            – Jesus was married, but it wasn’t important enough for anyone to mention in their accounts of his life

            Who (other than maybe John the Baptist) would have the clout with God to declare that Jesus was married in the eyes of God?

    • Parrott says:

      Yeah, they are always asking for cash Hpaws. I joined after the Sandyhook thing and Obo-Fiensten had ‘hard-ons’ for gun owners.
      I re-upped to 2015 , but the limos and lavish offices in Fairfax VA. are questionable. But I dislike the Obo-Feinstein, Hillary, Schumer, ‘Dick Durbin’ types way more.


  2. CC1s121LrBGT says:

    “They hate us for our freedom” – President George W Bush

    The war is to protect our freedom.


    • Art Stone says:

      Did you see the BART police taser incident? Or the shooting in Arizona where the dead guy’s hands were in the air? Or the 80 year old guy shot by a swat team while in his bed because they knew he had a gun permit but didn’t make an attempt to use the gun?

      Why won’t President Obama have the Attorney reclassify pot so it isn’t a class 1 drug?

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